Okhlobystin interview. Ivan Okhlobystin: “My children will get out of any difficult situation

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Ivan Okhlobystin is one of the most famous modern actors, directors and screenwriters. His filmography includes such films as “DMB”, “House of the Sun”, “Down House”, “Priest-San. Confession of a Samurai" and many other works. But he is also a writer. In April 2017, he published a collection of stories, and in August.

We met and talked with him about the new book, creative plans and favorite writers.

You - father of many children, actor, director, screenwriter and writer. The question immediately arises: how were you able to find time to write a book? And how long did this process take you?

Not for long, but when you write, you get distracted. I have to - I have Chingizid syndrome. This means that if you are traveling somewhere and you have eight children; seven arrived - this is already a success. Yes, plus suitcases. And if ten, then eight is already a success. That is, I don’t pay attention to some little things. I am quite ascetic: this helps me move around and feel comfortable in the world around me. I have small demands on the world, although I am an egoist, of course, like any other person. And I understand that no one but me will do this - again this is due to having many children: you cannot explain the lack of nutrition to children with a lofty political idea. You must nourish. And I just had to find time to write.

And hardening. Another person in a large audience feels discomfort, and I, you know, than more people, the more chaos, the better for me. Because I'm lost, I knew that my life would be connected with attention, but I didn't know that in such volumes. In principle, I should not have felt such volumes, because they are uncomfortable for me. By my first profession, I am a director - that person who is not particularly visible. I never wanted to be an artist, I didn’t want to act on television. It’s not that I was in denial about the whole thing, but I didn’t expect it. And so for me all this was a surprise, a shocking surprise. And during my experience, I gained some experience, including how to catch my little zen when everything around is boiling, everything is exploding, everyone is running, everyone is swearing, everyone is making peace, and you are pounding away on your phone, on your computer, on your tablet. ..

If we talk about your film and television career, which role do you consider the most successful? Which one did you like best?

I liked the Nightingale the Robber, of course, because I made it for myself as a souvenir. So I realized at some point that no one is interested in a good movie, everyone is interested in making a rollback that is more comfortable, but less dangerous. And since the picture of life became clear, I decided to live creatively for myself. I made “The Nightingale the Robber” with friends: it was fun for them and it was fun for the group. And thank God, we have zero to zero - I didn’t earn or lose anything on this, but if in terms of the artistic component, then, of course, “Noga”, because it had the following cast: Petya Mamonov, Nikita Tyagunov, Nadya Kozhushanaya . In general, I think that she is still one of the most powerful writers - she is a screenwriter, but she founded a whole movement that screenwriters are guided by. And working with her, I believe, big success and artistic achievement.

Yes, especially since the topic was touched upon Afghan war, and this is the very beginning of the 90s.

Yes, they did something strange. Despite the fact that he is sophisticated, the picture there was quite confusing...

Ordinary guys who served in Afghanistan were forced to watch it. Naturally, they were hoping for a comedy with naked women, I was like that too in those days, but they were forced to watch about the war. They came up to me and not familiarly, but a little surprised, saying that it was strange - they didn’t understand everything, but this one, more than other films, conveys what they experienced: melancholy, phantom pain, all the internal fractures that a person And human soul gets in the war. That is, of course, “Leg”, yes.

By the way, about “fractures of the soul.” You wrote the script for the film Down House, in which you interpreted the novel in a certain way . Do you have any desire, in much the same manner, to write a screenplay or perhaps make a film based on some other classic book in the near future?

I don’t know, it’s advisable not to repeat some things. They offered, for example, to make a sequel to “The Nightingale the Robber,” but I categorically refused, because some things should be in a single copy. The same thing - this experiment, you can treat it differently, mostly people like it, because everyone who lived in this time knows this culture - this is one of business cards several generations. For myself, for the soul, it’s a little hooligan, but, you know, shadows create volume.

If you do it according to the same principle, there will be a mocking element; there was no goal to make fun of Dostoevsky. I quite clearly experienced “The Idiot”; by the way, I’m not sure that the series conveyed the plot in such detail. I have a very difficult relationship with Dostoevsky - I understand him perfectly, but for me he is gloomy, Dostoevsky brings depression to me, but he delights someone.

I think much the same as his characters think, this synchronization on an intellectual level makes the process of rereading unnecessary. But I re-read the novel carefully and transferred into the script the main, as it seemed to me, stories, including side stories: a story about the girl Maria, about a failed writer, about Professor Ivolgin. However, I would not repeat this.

Now I’m thinking that it’s been a long time, or maybe never, since we’ve made horror films. In principle, Russian cinema, like everything connected with us, with our great God-chosen nation, always does everything better than everyone else, it’s just lazy. After all, they allowed themselves in the melodramatic sector - “Love and Doves”, in the military-historical sector - “White Sun of the Desert”, in the romantic-historical sector - “Sannikov’s Land”, in the intellectual sector - .

That is, we have almost the entire segment - several genres are not closed. One of them is horror. We don't have a single "cutting" horror film! Not just for something to move electronically, scanned, but for it to touch you psychologically, as in best traditions I'm thinking about maybe writing such a script, but we'll see in the future.

To make it worse than the Soviet Viy...

And if you write in the horror genre, you need to achieve some kind of stunning effect. I think it’s not difficult, everything is decided according to some laws.

Speaking about the topic of childhood: what books did you read to your children?

So many. But in general, we once listened to a wise man who was once the chief child psychiatrist in Moscow, God rest him. He advised Oksanka and me to read to our children before bed. If you read to children before going to bed, at least twenty minutes, but regularly, you will never lose contact with the child. You will be united by something more than intellect, will and love. It will be something internal: common pictures, a common world.

And so Oksanka courageously took on this role, she reads the Holy Scripture a little, so as not to strain the children, because you cannot come to God by force. We have reread all of Kir Bulychev, reread Roger Zelazny, reread some of them, some of the Strugatskys, to make it easier. For older kids... Who wrote “American Gods” - a marvelous author? .

Previously, this was somehow divided into children's and adult reading. , for example, I won’t read it because I don’t have enough time for it, I’ve already read it. But now we have come to the phase when Vasya brings me books - they are still a little childish or youthful, but he is already close to what interests me.

And grown-up girls share and say: “Here, pay attention to such and such a novel,” Rutherford “New York,” let’s say. I noticed - I liked it, especially after... It is pop, in my opinion, for ladies and lovers of Goa, but here the same circumstance, narrative and design, but not burdened with entertainment. The author does not look the reader in the eye, does not try to please, but simply realizes himself.

Speaking of books, can you choose five books that have most influenced you as a person, as an artist and as a person?

Let's. Well, we don’t take it, of course, because this is a very individual moment, this is a priori for everyone - who has the Bible, who has the Bible, who has... This is not subject to statistics. Well, I can enumerate. , Updike, Ken Kesey and Richard Bach "Jonathan Livingston Seagull".

Later came Satprem's "Journey of Consciousness", then I began to get acquainted with the early Latin American academic public: then came to him, he is not close to me, but I understood him. and - I understood how he took people. It happens that some people don’t like “One Hundred Years of Solitude” - for me this is surprising. This is a wonderful novel, but there are people who are erudite and tasteful, but the novel doesn’t work for them, it’s at the level of subtle emotions. Have I named five already?

There are already even more - it will be necessary to expand the list to ten. On the topic of books and movies. In the film “Priest-san” you touched on quite a lot interesting topic, In my opinion. This is the topic of the Russian Orthodox Church in Japan, and of Orthodoxy in Japan in general. At the same time, as far as I know, you had a series of programs that were dedicated to the saints: , . Did you have a desire to write something about Nikolai Kasatkin - Nikolai of Japan?

It happens that cinema is not able to convey the entire array of information, but it is a pity to lose what is hidden beyond the horizon. Nicholas of Japan acted in a very interesting period stories. This is the war of the shoguns against the young emperor. The young emperor buys firearms from the Dutch, which are not used by noble samurai. They march in four or three clans, I don’t remember, armies against the emperor - the emperor shoots them, destroys three of their armies, and they flee north to Osaka, deprived of property, nobility, and ideas of honor. There they come across a brilliant diplomat, theologian, and spiritually handsome man. Nikolai was beautiful in appearance and behaved heroically, it was understandable: he went to study Japanese. For a long time they didn’t let him enter the school, and then they came out and said: “Why are you being so humiliated?”, and he said: “You know, I have to explain my faith to people. For me this is the most important thing, and therefore I must know the language well. I have to. I’ll sit here until you take it.” And they took it. They were touched by such a samurai approach to life, by the fact that a person is ready for anything.

He had chief critic, the main follower is a samurai from a very high-born branch, I don’t remember which clan, a kind of high-born prince in captivity. He didn’t like Nikolai Kasatkin because he believed that Christianity would deprive them of their local religion (they are all Shintoists), the samurai chased him everywhere, except maybe beat him. But he didn’t dare to shoot, because Nikolai Kasatkin was still a very good shooter.

The situation there is very difficult, the time is so amazing - there were spy wars before the start of the First World War, then the First World War, when he could not serve, but at the same time he could not leave, then he already had a flock created. This is such a lump. In fact, “Priest-san” was a gateway into a huge, beautiful garden of stories about Nikolai Kasatkin. To explain the phenomenon of the Japanese Orthodox. They have one of the strongest communities. Thirty thousand of them is a lot for Japan. But they are truly amazing people.

I am happy that Tagawa also found himself, because he was looking for himself as a Japanese. He has too amazing story: He lived all his life in America. His mother met his father in Jamaica. He was a paratrooper or a Navy SEAL - he served at the base. Which of them was Japanese, God knows - one was American. Doesn't matter. Tagawa appeared - they already lived in California - he is clearly Asian. And they laughed at him at school, which means that the legacy of the war was that they treated the Japanese with criticism (Japan fought on the side of Germany). He was lonely and hard. He took up karate to be closer to Japan, when it became fashionable and everyone heard it. He represented the American karate team, which traveled to Tokyo, and was awarded some kind of regalia there, that is, he was a real karateka. He really wanted to return home - to return home culturally, because he did not feel at home in America. He tried to do this through films, when he portrayed all sorts of yakuza. He loved the yakuza.

And the Yakuza is also a separate subculture. The fact that they are in films and television is not entirely true. This is a public institution that administers all orphanages in Japan. And every homeless child in Japan is a child of the yakuza. It is not necessary that he is a bandit, they simply assumed such a spiritual obligation, a spiritual and moral obligation.

And surprisingly, having starred in a movie about an Orthodox priest, he then gets baptized. And he finds - we met with him later - his heart finds its homeland, it returned to Japan. He went to Japan, stayed there, in an Orthodox church, advised cinema, the Japanese came out there - elderly Japanese, his bishop Christianly lit up and Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, more than a sixty-year-old man - an adult already - suddenly realized with relief that his childhood had been fulfilled. the dream that he became a real Japanese, and through Orthodoxy.

Yes, amazing story. Here in the context of this conversation: perhaps you watched - this topic is also raised there.

Yes, but I don't really like Scorsese. Italians are too impulsive to be objective. They constantly play on feelings more than feelings should occupy consciousness. They are impulsive - they would dance, BDSM likes this ... There is no deep immersion.

Little by little we move on to last question. Your creative plans for the near future both in cinema and, accordingly, in writing?

If it works out, then I want to do “Priest-san”. Fortunately, there was a movie, but it was too bad for the material; I really wanted to tell more. I would like to tell you about Valentin Amfitheatrov - there is such a student saint - Moscow students, who knows, run to him in the Fifth Year before exams, as well as those who are in love (such a sentimental element); few people know about him, but he deserves attention. I would like to do something about a few more people: about Fyodor Uglov, who wrote “The Heart of a Surgeon”, wonderful (either he is alive, he is more than a hundred years old, or he just died) - greatest man simply, lumps. It seems to me that the time has come when we need to sing a song to real heroes. We are too carried away by the covers, and, in essence, from the inner atom, the basic to the insignificant, too frivolous. But there are such people - you need to look up to them, you need to admire them, especially since there is material.

I also have an idea for a novel. It will be called "The Third Rome". A novel about an Orthodox patriotic television series. A slightly different genre - not such steam punk as “Songs of the Canes Venatici constellation.” I'll see what's there.

Last question. What advice would you give to aspiring screenwriters: how to write and what to do with the written work, where to go?

I'll start with the second question. The written script, when it is submitted, needs to be posted on the Internet so that the electronic machine remembers when you posted it - this will be your little copyright insurance - this is important. In the age of high technology, it would be a sin to neglect this.

As for the literary activity, you have to read and write yourself, force yourself to write. This is a great temptation: you’ve already started, you’ve already thought of everything, and then you want to drink tea, then you need to go to your mother. The devil will do his best to tempt you and take your hand away from the paper or the keyboard. You have to force yourself to work stupidly, to exhaust yourself directly, like a fascist to loom over you, like a dark demon, and print, print, knowing that the first ten pages are always in the trash. But the more you type, the more somewhere inside you this typewriter develops, which one day makes a click and you’re already challenged - you’re already sitting down and all you need is a keyboard and the will to sit for two or three hours, however long you’ll be there print.

As for the search for inspiration, I don’t really believe in it - inspiration is a thing that can strike at any time, even when you’re taking a bath, by the window... True, Balzac said that a writer works even when he’s looking out the window, that’s all true, but the more I come across such venerable writers, the more I am convinced that they, just like me, went on and on, for no apparent reason it came to mind and I really want it to take shape. And the main thing is to force yourself phenomenologically: to sit you down at the table, force you to type, without being distracted by anything - neither positive nor negative - there will be a million reasons why you shouldn’t continue this. Overcoming these reasons, putting yourself on guard, becoming humble in the face of the situation is all just experience. In general, I think that the person is talented. Modern man It’s impossible not to be talented, because each of us has such a volume of information. We are all different. We are all beautiful in this difference, because that's how it is. And due, again, to the fact that we live in this time, each of us is a man of the Renaissance - we can afford to do two or three things completely and completely, but technology already allows it. Why not do this? Why not implement it? The only thing that hinders us is laziness and excuses, inner cowardice. And every person is talented, there is simply a genius hidden in every person, I am sure. You just need to find, firstly, what: it doesn’t have to be literature, not even one, but two or three, I would say, there is definitely talent in every person with the possibility of infinity, until Leonardo da Vinci.

Thanks for the interesting conversation. Good luck in your literary work, we will wait for the release of new films and books.

Thank you. Hallelujah!

The book “Songs of the constellation Canes Venatici” by Ivan Okhlobystin will appear in bookstores today, April 19. Okhlobystin became a writer a long time ago - his first book, “The XIV Principle,” became an unprecedented case of a cyberpunk novel being created by a clergyman. San Okhlobystin has taken off his life, but he has not lost his love for cyberpunk - it permeates the two stories that make up new book. Smooth, ironic, based on the prose of Russian village writers, it seems that they are not at all like the one who played the crazy Rogozhin in Down House, the vital Malyuta in Generation P, or at least the room dictator Dr. Bykov in Interns ". On the eve of the presentation of the book and the meeting with readers, the site's columnist Alexei Pevchev met with Ivan Okhlobystin at neutral territory and discussed the past and thoughts.

Photo courtesy of Eksmo Publishing House

– Ivan, my (and probably not only mine) first impressions of your literary creativity, are connected with a long, absolutely insane saga, published in the late nineties in the magazine "Capital". How did a thick city magazine provide its pages for your outright hooliganism?

– It all started with the story “The Idiot”, according to the plot of which I had to go to a dog racing championship, and on the way I exposed the Nizhnevartovsk Satanists, later an intrigue was woven into how we fought against aliens, a Murmansk diver arose... Well, this, Of course, there was such a blizzard, we laughed a lot and made fools, and brought a lot, a lot of joy to the reader. The experiment was wonderful! At the head of "Capital" was Vladimir Yakovlev - you may like him or not, but Yakovlev was a genius who was able to clearly understand how the reader could understand the flow of media. The reader needed an author who was similar to him in his views. He personified journalism, thereby returning it 100-150 years ago, and this experiment justified itself.

Yakovlev gathered the best journalists, buying them from other publications. There were Sergei Mostovshchikov, Igor Martynov, Andrei Kolesnikov, Valery Ivanovich, Vasily Golovanov, Nikolai Fokht, Rustam Arifdzhanov, Valery Ivanovich Konovalov - by the way, the best of all who ever wrote about the peasantry, each of his essays is worthy of Tyutchev’s design in verse .

“Stolitsa” fundamentally did not live on advertising. Once I brought oil industry advertisers and heard that we had an experimental publication and did not need advertising. We behaved like this for exactly a year, but everyone read us - from the capital’s snobs to the police. It was important to bring the author, with the help of literature, of course, to the level of audiovisual contact with the audience. What began with the story “The Idiot,” somewhere in the middle became called “Grand Solitaire” and was such a stream of consciousness. Feedback on what was happening at the current moment in history.

– And then there was the “XIV principle”, which was strikingly different from the experiments in “Capital”.

– I like fantasy, I’m not shy about it. In general, this game “peacemaking” is close to me. Because we live in an age of high technology and, willy-nilly, we must be aware of events. My first education is “electronic computer operator”, and my favorite book is most my life was "Monday begins on Saturday." The format of a novel differs from a film story. Film story is 3-4 acting character, which fly through a certain mass, burdened with conventions and some events. A novel is an interweaving of destinies, time, its own laws, and the obligatory creation of an atmosphere. In a script this is possible, in a novel -
necessary.

I wasn’t sure that I would be able to have a love affair with this atmosphere, and I decided: until you jump, you won’t know. I will start from my favorite genre – fantasy. I selected the necessary images, inserted them into the game outline and made a book based on the principle of a script for a computer toy. At that moment I was studying Tarot cards, and decided to build a text according to the most famous layout - the “Pyramid”.

- Let's talk about scripts. Garik Sukachev made a film based on your “House of the Sun,” which was received differently. How important was it for you to be involved in the material, in the hippie environment?

“I’m younger, of course, but these were people from the generation before mine.” I had my own ideas, Garik had his, but if I watched the hippies from the outside, then Garik already had the opportunity to interact with them. We created a small world, described cultural phenomenon, a really powerful movement. Our goal was not to describe everything accurately, but rather to make it entertaining. People will come and pay 300 rubles for a ticket - it would be sinful not to include entertaining moments in the script at all.

– However, after the release of the film, many people who remember the real Yuri “The Sun” were seriously up in arms against you, accusing you of a complete discrepancy between the real character and the screen hero.

– Firstly, one should not expect flattering responses from the representatives of that time; after all, we have reduced their entire world to an hour and a half, during which their youth, their experiences and their time cannot be conveyed. This is normal and understandable. Our main goal was to show the romantic ideal of a freshman girl, and an honest ideal, personifying falling in love not for the sake of fornication, but for the sake of finding love. As for Yuri “Sun”: he looks like The Doors vocalist Jim Morison and, like Morrison, his dad is a rear admiral. It was all very real back then.

– Let’s move on to the story from your new collection – “Zero Kilometer”. I will try to avoid spoilers and will only say that in the process of reading I remembered Vasily Shukshin, and “Overstocked Barrels” by Aksenov and Richard Bach. Am I right?

– Not at all, you are absolutely in the material. I would also add the names of three or four people, but also from this brilliant cohort. These are the ones I would like to read myself. They died, I miss their texts and have to make up for them. We now have Vyacheslav Ivanov, and indeed, in general, there is something to be proud of now in modern literature. Of course, we will always focus on great teachers. I have always been a fan of Shukshin, and now I am fighting for a photo on the bedside table: either there is Shukshin, or a very convenient flashlight. Aksenov once gave me a signed book “Island of Crimea”. I was insanely happy: for me, the profession of a writer was in the category of "wizard".

- I got the impression that in "Kilometer Zero" you deliberately restrained yourself, trying not to embellish the speech of the characters with the usual turns for your movie heroes.

- Everything is correct. I tried to maintain a mixture of French and Nizhny Novgorod. This is the same mixture that is typical for a small provincial town, and if I added sharpness, there would be a moment of some kind of "comics". You can laugh endlessly, I myself am a cheerful person, but if you bring a lot of laughter into the text, then some of the most important tender notes will disappear. In principle, any book is a book about love, and if someone says that there is something more important than love, he is lying and you don’t need to believe him.

The book belongs to the general categories of values. Remember how at Alexander Green, where everything is in openwork rosettes - it amused the eye. You read it and are proud that it was all aspirated, like a song. In general, a good text should be sung. I want a person to take a book, open it, and it hypnotizes him: the pain in his shoulder went away, he forgot to repay the loan, made peace with his wife 35 times, forgave his son for getting a C grade. This - good literature.

– You can identify the literature that influenced you different stages growing up?

– I can, and starting from my pioneer childhood. This is "The Adventures of Cipollino", "The Three Musketeers", then Conan Doyle"Notes on Sherlock Holmes", then "Countess de Monsoro" and "Les Misérables" by Dumas. In the seventh grade, I started reading Valentin Pikul, but I didn’t like him, he seemed a bit dry, but not my psychotype. I get high from him, but he is not a shaman for me. After Pikul, Dumas returned again, and John Updike and his “Centaur” opened up to me (at the same time, I didn’t like “Rabbit, Run”). Then there was Stephen Books and again Les Misérables, this time with such a serious reading of Jean Valjean. And then I was overtaken by a meeting with Mikhail Bulgakov. My dad gave me a photographically printed copy of the magazine "October", where the entire novel "The Master and Margarita" was published in pieces. I read in the kitchen, I read in the bathroom...

Then came Alexander Greene, Richard Bach and his Jonathan Linvingston Seagull. Well, then a reasonable age came with Milorad Pavic, Kurt Vonnegut and a return to Dostoevsky, because it turned out that as a child I was forced to read him. But Dostoevsky is suffocating for me, because I think about the same as him, but with a different familiarity. It's like lamps are quartz, but there are ordinary yellow ones, here I am yellow color, it's straight quartz.

- In the wonderful Down House, did you just decide to remove this quartzness?

– When I wrote the script for the film Down House, everything was wonderful, because everything became clear to me. Nastasya Filippovna is a drinking Russian beauty, this has always been the main problem for men, and not only from high society. There is nothing fancy here. All other images are clear. Why split hairs? Which “little Christ”, which Belinsky? Prince Myshkin is just a crazy person with a completely broken head, who thought correctly because he thought peripherally, like all of them, acting in accordance with the operating program established by the manufacturer. They are a pillar of light and do not need to be improved.

– Reading theological books and secular books requires a different approach, mood, perception?

– We must correctly understand the spiritual segment. Those who believe that they will open a book and learn something spiritual are completely wrong. All literature is reactionary in essence. Sermons are also a kind of reaction, but they give a person the opportunity to rise above the ground a little. This is an appeal to his highest on the basis of the sacrament of communion and the previous liturgy of the presence of God on earth. Theological literature can also be poetic. Suppose it is stupid to read the psalter in Russian. Of course, this is a pious thing, but for very indecisive people and completely different from me.

We must understand correctly: Cyril and Methodius came to us, once wild, made up of thousands of small tribes, leaders, loyalties and origins, and, having collected from our language, they invented their own language for translating the Holy Scriptures. That is, when talking to each other, arguing with a neighbor in the stairwell, or praising a young lady for her beauty, we are not just communicating, but becoming part of some mystical act. The Russian language itself is national idea because he is the main carrier of information. Russian is a separate language, originating from the liturgical language, slightly utilized, but remaining essentially the same liturgical language, and therefore an extremely mystical language.

As for reading the theological text. Once I was supposed to read Isaac the Syrian for seminary, but it didn’t work out for me. He is an ancient writer, from the 4th century, in my opinion, I may be confused. And then Pyotr Mamonov says: “Treat this not as prose, but as poetry, beat the rhythm.” And I really caught myself thinking that Isaac the Syrian is wildly rhythmic.

In general, you know, once in Spain I found myself at a flamenco festival, which I love very much. One theatrical troupe came out, then another, then some singer came out - he sang flamenco, another sang flamenco. Then, at the end of the festival, they set up a table, the guitarist sat at one table, at another the grandmother sat down and began: “It’s very good that I was invited to this flamenco festival. Because our life is so empty…” - and then about anything , right up to how she and her neighbor endured a bucket and it all came down to the fact that, they say, "worry, don't worry - we'll die anyway." And when she said in the final: “Well, the main thing is that the children are alive,” everyone just exploded! This is literature!

- Literature does not tolerate fuss, but it is probably difficult for you, with your active lifestyle, to achieve some necessary concentration and, most importantly, solitude? As far as I know, you have about eight mobile numbers alone.

– You need to constantly deceive the whole world. Relatives, friends and relatives know what number I am on. To everyone else, I honestly give those that I still have and I don’t remember which one I have with me. Therefore, I cut off external communication with the world. I don’t attend talk shows because I really don’t like scandals. There is no logical ending, and outwardly it is disgusting. I don’t go to intellectual talk shows, because the laws of the television market are now such that in any case this is a conflict, this is a dispute. And in a dispute, one is a fool, the other is a scoundrel. I don't want to be either one or the other. I still have some filming left to do, and now I have some household chores and writing to do. Well, all the time I have, I spend money on my family.

– So, after all, “writing” is with you seriously and for a long time?

– I really want to remain a writer. So what? It’s disgusting to act in films as noble special forces commanders. Now they have more or less chosen a good script about a father who helps a boy with cerebral palsy get back on his feet. This is a real heartfelt story. In general, I like all Greenpeace. Oksanka and I (wife, actress Oksana Okhlobystina – website note) We recently went to make birdhouses at VDNKh. They opened a whole pavilion there where children are taught how to work with wood. I look at the old people - I found the root, decided that a great cabinetmaker had cut something out. My dad did this, my grandfather did this, I think something similar is waiting for me.

Well, about literature... I publish photographs of books on Instagram, I walk the simple path of Christ, without any wisdom. If there is an opportunity to mention it somewhere, I will mention it so that it is profitable. You can't make money with books. Because literary work- these are streams and a river. In order for this to be perceived as a source of income, you need to write 200 novels. In this case, I'm interested in how people will accept all this, how they will react to the book itself. My friends will definitely read it, and they are very independent people. Some people liked the “XIV principle”, some didn’t, but these are complete hipsters who have already seen everything. This will probably be the case this time too.

Time: 19:00

Place: book Shop"Read-Gorod" (TC "European", Kievsky Station Square, 2)

The film "Bird" with Ivan Okhlobystin in the title role, which will be released on May 18, may be the last in his career. The actor announced that he was leaving cinema and would focus on writing. Recently, Ivan published the fourth book, “Songs of the constellation Canes Venatici.” In an interview with StarHit, Okhlobystin shared why he quit filming, how he raises his daughters and why he calls his wife a drowned woman.

"Santa Barbara" with diaper rash

Ivan, aren’t you afraid to leave profitable cinema?

We are Tushino punks. We were and remain so. During the period of lack of money, we lived as comfortably as when funds appeared. They just began to allow themselves a little more. On this moment I'm more interested writing activity. It has many advantages. I will be at home. My wife, children and I will be able to organize hikes, ride bikes and go to our favorite dacha more often. I decided to quit acting out of gratitude to the viewer. Television is a cruel thing. It will wring you out like a wet rag until you go minus 20 in the rating, and people will start spitting in your face. You have to be able to draw the line. By the way, this was the case with the series “Interns”. On the 300th episode we all creative team, stunned by the filming, went to the producer and said that it was time to close the project, otherwise the sitcom would turn into “Santa Barbara”, and even with diaper rash. If in the future I am offered a worthwhile movie with good money, then perhaps I will agree.

You act, you write. Do your children gravitate toward creativity?

My daughter Varya sings. When she was 7 years old, she told her mom and me that she wanted to learn to play the guitar. I followed the platinum proven scheme, a kind of Cartier version: I found the Palace of Pioneers, a teacher in a bow tie and with crimson on his cheeks. Varya studied there for four years, and then took up vocals. Now she is 18 years old and she sings. I advise: “Don’t lose your voice. It must be tuned, like a harpsichord, gradually.”

Will Varya go to Gnesinka?

No. She's graduating this year and has chosen medical school. We do not tolerate protégés in terms of education. This is all harmful. My daughters are children of a new generation. Varya believes that her earthly profession will not prevent her from practicing vocals. Her sister Dusa is 19 years old and shares the same opinion. Evdokia plays the electric guitar and studies as an ornithologist, studies birds. At the same time, she’s a fashionista for me, she’s good at dancing flamenco – she’s dark-haired and beautiful. Eldest daughter Anfisa, she is 20 years old, chose the specialty of marketing. The youngest children, sons - 11-year-old Savva and 16-year-old Vasya - have not yet decided on a profession.

Are they not interested in dad's work?

Indifferent. But if one of the children wants, I will not interfere. Anfiska is quite an adult, they can call the police on me. Being religious people, we remember one of the main postulates - you cannot come to the Lord by force. God is always a paradox. You understand that everything around is made by the individual, and you also respect the individuality in your children. They know that Mom and I respect them too much to become a hindrance.

Do Anfisa and Evdokia have young people?

I think so, but I haven’t been introduced to it yet. They treat this issue delicately. I am also embarrassed, because there is an agreement that I will not influence their choice. I said: “When you realize that you are in love and are ready to create a relationship, then I will be forced to participate.” But they are girls of steel. And their mother is a woman from an ancient pagan legend. At the same time, nothing modern is alien to my daughters. They are interested in rags and steal mom’s dresses. They have similar tastes, but there is a difference. Evdokia likes something gothic. Varvara is passionate about the Normans and everything Scandinavian. Anfiska prefers New York style, a kind of hipster girl. And their younger sister Nyushka loves science. She is our cosmic Elfine.

Oksanka is a modest woman. She should have played Trinity in The Matrix. When we are in shopping centers, I provoke her all the time: let's buy you elegant dress so that you don’t feel like you’re drowned. Agrees. At the same time, the wife is a mischievous girl. Of course, I put the burden of raising six children on her shoulders, but she copes. If it weren't for Oksana, I would have died long ago.

Chingizid syndrome

Are you afraid or jealous that your daughters will soon fly out of the nest?

In everyday terms, I’m not worried. I know that they will get out of any situation, ten more people will be saved from the flood. As far as human relationships are concerned, sooner or later they will suffer. Like everyone else, they will face disappointments, unrequited love. They will organize small riots and do stupid things. But I’m not worried here either. The samurai Orthodox component makes itself felt. Well done Oksana! Our whole family takes communion and observes fasts. Both of our sons, Savva and Vasya, serve as altar servers in the Church of Sophia the Wisdom of God, which we have been visiting for 20 years. For boys this is a fairy tale.

The children have grown up. Did you feel that there were fewer problems?

Others appeared. But I have Chingizid syndrome, I am thick-skinned. If I used to be upset because of the loss of a suitcase, now because of the loss of two, not a single muscle moves on my face. Forced to live in broad categories. First children get sick, then they need to be taught, then all these falling in love... I also walked this path. I understand what is boiling in their souls.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: This is the “Bla-Blandinki” program. We begin. Olga Danilevich.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Our guest today is...

O. DANILEVICH: And this is Katechka stuttering, because we waited, waited, and were nervous. We waited. Actor, director, screenwriter, writer, priest. Temporarily, however, he was removed from service, but at his own request. Ivan Okhlobystin is with us. Hello, Ivan.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Hello.

O. DANILEVICH: What a joy.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: You know, Ivan is so fashionable. You should have seen it. Tanned. With a fashionable hairstyle, in a fashionable T-shirt. Very beautiful. The T-shirt says, not in Russian, that Jesus loves Ivan more than all of us. Just so you know, just in case.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: The children dress me. There's nothing you can do about it. You need to sacrifice.

O. DANILEVICH: What do you mean? You get up in the morning...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I get up in the morning. Children don't trust my taste. And since we are supposed to go roller skating together later (and the girls are already of marriageable age), they decided approximately what would be good for when I arrived. The only thing is that I will change my pants to shorts. And this is how they dressed me.

O. DANILEVICH: What kind of shorts? Knee-high or below?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Knee-deep. I love Thor Steinar, those made of thick fabric, those cargo ones (when the pockets are sewn on - this is called the “cargo” style)…

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: I thought that even in the summer you wear these boots with flames.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: With flame. They are beautiful. I take care of them. I missed them.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: It’s hot now, it seems to me.

O. DANILEVICH: Are you saving for the parishioners?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I hope so. Including. Grannies will miss it.

O. DANILEVICH: In one interview you admitted that at first it scared the grandmothers a little, and then they began to worry when they saw it in the summer.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: They were worried when I didn’t put it on: is everything okay, what is my money... We had a symphony. An experienced monk told me that if you don’t want one of our occupational diseases (for clergy it’s...) - standing on your feet for a long time, listening to people, it’s somehow not always convenient to sit down. And a stomach ulcer, of course, because the regime is very messed up.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: During fasts.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Posts are wonderful.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: It’s like “detox,” a fashionable word.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: This is generally true. The main thing in the post is not there. I ask one, now deceased, elder who lived a truly holy life. That is, I am a pragmatic person. I need to touch the miracle with my hands. And I talked to him. Because many things that I could not say to anyone, he spoke for me. And he somehow convinced me. And he is that kind of person. It was not his honor. Somehow I arranged it in such a way that I, too, seemed to be doing great. Although I didn’t do well there at all. And I ask him, among other things, making sure that he is a person. In general, he is seventh heaven. I say: “What is the correct way to fast?” And we are neophytes, still so evil, ISIS is so Orthodox.

O. DANILEVICH: What are you saying here?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Forbidden, it should have an asterisk.

O. DANILEVICH: A terrorist organization banned in Russia.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: He says: “Just switch to bread and water. Pride will do the rest for you.”

O. DANILEVICH: Wait. How about bread without yeast?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: This is not a chemical process. Fasting is a limitation. You should not watch this movie in the periodicals you watch. So that you have time to think a little about internal affairs.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: That is, you just reduce everything a little bit.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Asceticism. Beautiful, majestic, courageous asceticism. Everything else is fine.

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I. OKHLOBYSTIN: If you look for me, you will dial Ivan Okhlobystin...

O. DANILEVICH: We will find it. I found you this morning.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Do you run Instagram yourself, or do you have special trained people?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I treat it, you know, due to the situation - like a family album. The network is what will be with us until the end of our humanity, our evolution.

O. DANILEVICH: Last photo- this is your wife. I noticed this today. Let's get to the news. This week, the council under the Ministry of Culture called on the Cinema Fund to publicly report on how much money was transferred to them, how much they earned, and how everything is going with the box office in general. Meanwhile, the fund’s expert council recently approved 35 paintings to which money will be allocated. And among other films there is a comedy “Slave”, in which you will play...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Unfortunately, I won’t.

O. DANILEVICH: You won’t? Why?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don’t know. No matter how you look at “Interns”, be it hipster or fisherman... all the same, people loved us for 5.5 years, they watched us, we really tried. There was a lot of fluff there. You know, when humor ends due to fatigue, everything goes into the scrotum. And we fought against it. We fought with whatever we could. We have achieved that the highest level mass media, when they looked at us like... You know, there are screensavers - fish on TV? Now, we have reached the fish. It doesn't matter anymore. A person could walk past the TV - be involved in the situation, or not be included. He was reassured by the very fact that somewhere this life was happening, which he liked, people whom he understood. There are many paradoxes with this.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: You are actually like the series “Friends”, probably.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. I feel a certain kind of responsibility. Not out of arrogance or anything like that. And if I’m going to act, then to act in something like this... Don’t offend those people who loved me for 5.5 years.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Didn’t you like the script?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: My role there...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: What did they offer you there?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: The role is funny, but there is a lot of swearing. It's too youthful. By the way, the script is good, it's a pity. But, unfortunately, I can't.

O. DANILEVICH: Interesting. The team is right there... Why are you talking about “Interns”. Because there is a team of “Interns”. Vadim Demchog is filming there.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, yes.

O. DANILEVICH: Do they stay?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don’t know. I haven't talked to them about this. I found out about this 4 days ago. I read the script and liked it. Good comedy.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: But the role is not.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I didn’t like the role. It's well written. There's a great dude there that should have played. But due to the fact that there are a lot of youth themes, tits and pussies...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Is everything really so low? Below the belt humor.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: There are elements below the belt. But that's not what the film is about. Noble in every way. And then, Porechenkov will star in one of the roles. The entire intern team was gathered. Almost whole. I don’t know whether Sanya Ilyin will act or not. He should also have a good role.

O. DANILEVICH: Tell me, but you were initially very skeptical about the Interns. You thought it was soap-soap, and then suddenly changed your mind. So, maybe the same will happen with “Kholop”? No?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Here, you know, like clinical trials. 6 years in fact. And then they play for another two years. I don't know if they're spinning it now or not. But 2 times a day I drove it into people’s heads like a nail. Wherever I am ... I just haven't seen this person for a long time, but still "hello." Something like this. I have reached a level of symphony with society that it doesn’t bother me.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: I’m glad.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, and I’m not happy. It's natural. It's like walking through a village. Whoever it was... A Kyrgyz taxi driver, while we were driving with him, everyone remembered what they could remember. A fifth-grader girl with a nasty little phone that leaves me after a photo of a flash in her eyes ... There's nothing you can do. This is the main audience. And somehow I don’t want to...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And “Slave”, you think, will destroy all this, this people’s love.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No. Everyone will be forgiven. The fact of the matter is that everyone will be forgiven. But I can't let people suffer because of me.

O. DANILEVICH: Listen, this story itself is filmed with exactly the same people with whom we have been side by side for several years. Don't you get bored?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: You get used to it. Like relatives.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And if these relatives infuriate you, how...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I thought that 12 episodes was too much for me. I thought: well, it’s interesting how everything is built. I discovered a whole world for myself. This is a completely separate layer that won. And now everything is cinema... It's all multiplexes. For now, it's just a matter of habit. All this will go away. All this is decay compared to these long things. A modern person thinks either in tags (that is, he quickly chose), or he needs meditation - so that 100 episodes, so that, like "Game of Thrones", he would know about it, or even not know, he went for tea, but Tanya said. And this is woven into life. This is such cultural feng shui. It’s just that high technology is invisible...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: You say that all TV series will be replaced great movie?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Of course. And the big cinema will remain at the level ... like the Delphic theater, or the kabuki theater, or will depart. They will undoubtedly be forced out.

O. DANILEVICH: Will director Ivan Okhlobystin direct TV series?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Director Ivan Okhlobystin will not handle TV series. Because, first of all, I am not a very good director.

O. DANILEVICH: And the screenwriter?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Screenwriter. I had experience. Take Tarantino, it was a great script. And shit, I'm sorry, the series. Moreover, Gurchenko also starred there. It's a very comedic series. And Polish actor Jerzy Shturman, Budraitis. And many, many talented guys. But it’s still just cardboard, uninteresting.

O. DANILEVICH: All right. About another film that hasn’t even been released yet, but they are discussing it like this...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: They are discussing and discussing. They discuss every day.

O. DANILEVICH: Some films need at least part of this discussion for their own promotion. This is the film "Matilda", of course, by Alexei Uchitel, about which Natalia Poklonskaya, a State Duma deputy, has many complaints. And among other things, this film offends the feelings of believers. As a clergyman, as an actor, director, screenwriter, as a simple person - whose side are you on?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Let's judge how simple a person he is. I am on the side of Poklonskaya. Because, firstly, the Teacher is not a fool. If we take all of his previous works, they are, as a rule, devoted to the analysis of one or another outstanding personality, be it Bunin... True, there is a film not about Bunin, but about two lesbians, if we’re serious. He is initially a provocateur on a conceptual and artistic level. He is a good provocateur, he is an excellent director. He knew from the beginning that this whole mess would be. How can I be against this girl, this noble girl? He wanted - she came.

O. DANILEVICH: You know, we had quite a few directors here, including those who said: “We must not forget that Nicholas II, before he became a saint, and before he became an emperor, was quite an ordinary person.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Our mothers, before they kissed our dads, kissed other dudes.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: What are you saying! That's impossible.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And mine can’t either. But in general there is such a hooligan rumor. And if artists come to us and say: “You know, we want to make a film about this,” we will say: “No, Lord, why talk about it? Let’s start with the folder.” There is a clearance level. Intelligence is not participial phrases in a speech, it’s not just letting the lady go ahead. Intelligence is the very approach to others, delicacy. He knew for sure that there would be a scandal. He knew that in any public institution there are many noisy people. Sometimes to the point of inadequacy. This is not about Poklonskaya. By the way, she is adequate.

O. DANILEVICH: Did you communicate with her personally?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I didn’t communicate with her. According to our mutual friends. She is a pious girl. A pious, beautiful, heroic girl, a symbol of what I love - the “Russian Spring”, which I never hide. To be honest, I won’t keep a fig in my pocket like a hipster. I have an ax and a double-barreled shotgun. If necessary, we will defeat everyone.

O. DANILEVICH: Look, but the question is that there wasn’t even a premiere, no one really knows yet how it will be. In this sense, the director should not try to express what he thinks.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, let him express it. I'm not interested in this story...

O. DANILEVICH: Forbid it. No?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No. Why ban it? This is stupid from the start. She is not connected with Poklonskaya. And excessive enthusiasm. It's like with " Pussy riot"The girls had to be spanked on their bare asses with a flip-flop, let go, and that's it - forget it, go away.

O. DANILEVICH: No courts, nothing.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And don’t bring a paper to the prosecutor’s office on Forgiveness Sunday. It's strange in general. That is, on the one hand it is unclear, and on the other. And in this same case. Yes, there is such incorrectness towards believers, a lack of understanding why this culture of believers is needed, that it is so burdensome, and we are in Europe. We are not against going to Europe. We like. We won't be able to get rid of this. We are Russians ranging from Varangian to Chukchi. We love everything: stroganina equally, and truffles too, no matter what. That is, we are omnivores in this regard. We have no conflict. But you need to be delicate. He was not delicate.

O. DANILEVICH: How can you be delicate in this particular case?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Don’t take this case. I don't want a movie made about my mom before she gets married if she doesn't want it. Then, the religious element is also burdensome here, because for many people this is the only alternative to the noose. Well, what to hide? Therefore, we will take care of them too. There is no need to touch this institution, just as there is no need to infiltrate someone else’s family or peep in the toilet.

O. DANILEVICH: I also have a question about Kirill Serebrenikov, whose film was released and for some reason it was not the same... I think it was called “The Apprentice.”

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I didn’t see it, unfortunately.

O. DANILEVICH: There should be many more questions from devout and religious people about this picture.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I will explain simply. This is who we are. We are no different. We also have a church. That is, another additional tangle of relationships - family, friendships, life lived.

O. DANILEVICH: Society, state.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, and extra circle communication. He is beautiful. Because we lived the best years of our lives among this circle. And this circle partially absorbed several other circles.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Is this normal or not?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Normal. We have parishioners... guys from the Fomenko Theater. They cannot be in some kind of obscurantism... These are lovely ladies from the Department of Justice, simple people, I don’t know... disabled people. Over the years it became one family. That is, you can’t explain it that way. So it will seem like Cosa Nostra. There is some element, but not everything. At the same time, we also know that this is a small society. There are thousands of such small societies. And there is an add-on to this. And this is a public institution in which there will always be, as in any public institution, scum and fools. But this is our internal family matter. We'll sort it out. We don't hold any grudges. They criticize us for building churches, if we take the church. Because every person in the church considers himself to be a member of the church. Why swear? I was in Lapland. The kids sent me away to hang out with friends at home.

O. DANILEVICH: They sent us far away.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: They, apparently, are the most far point were looking for. Oksanka and I are still driving, and she says: “What a noble daughter Anfisa is! She gave her entire first salary to pay for a hotel in Lapland.” I say: “Mother, are you out of your mind? They sent us away where the finger got stuck. They didn’t accept going any further.” There really is a border with Norway. So what am I talking about? Everything is beautiful - nature, cities. People are good. But when you return to Russia, yes, we have something lopsided, we have our own houses. Well, that's who we are. Not to say that we are completely sedentary. Because we are settled within 1/6 of the Earth. That is, semi-sedentary. But golden domes stick out everywhere. And this pleases the eye. And in my heart something like this: “I came to Russia.”

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Calm down.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: These are our golden paper clips.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: When you are abroad and when you see the Orthodox Church, you calm down so much.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Whether you want it or not.

O. DANILEVICH: Will you personally watch the film Teacher?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I’ll take a look.

O. DANILEVICH: At the same time, do you know that you will probably be offended in some way?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, I will definitely be offended.

O. DANILEVICH: Why?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I’ll see from the considerations that I will have to talk about him, willy-nilly. It will be stupid after he comes out, when they ask me, I will say: “I am against it.” - “Did you see it?” - “I didn’t see it.” Sharikovism. Just because of this. I wouldn't watch it that way.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And if you like it, can you imagine?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Double tragedy. What to do? It happens in life that you fall in love with someone else’s wife. And this is nothing but a tragedy.

O. DANILEVICH: Another news topic I wanted to ask you about is the DPR. You have a passport of the Donetsk People's Republic. You are communicating with Alexander Zakharchenko, head of the DPR. And Alexander Zakharchenko recently proposed creating a new state - Little Russia. I will already quote him: “A state with non-bloc status, a course towards restoring ties with Russia and joining the Union State of Russia and Belarus.” In Lugansk people's republic So far this initiative has not been shared, as far as we understand. How do you feel about her?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: In Lugansk they don’t divide it because they don’t know the exact attitude of the Kremlin. Because it didn’t work out either. But the Kremlin, willy-nilly, is forced to vary, because it represents vast territory including you and me, our interests.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: They said that this was Zakharchenko’s personal initiative.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, yes, yes. Zakharchenko and others like him, because he is surrounded by actually very intelligent people. Take the same Zakhar Prilepin. A lot of decent people Around him. What they say and demonize is bullshit. In fact, Zakharchenko is in circumstances - with shell-shocked grandmothers, with the guys... We are driving, approaching Donetsk. 17-year-old guys, very strict, in uniforms. And they have a curfew. Oksana, like a mother, admired him and said: “What a bearing!” We looked at the documents. It is clear that they will go to college tomorrow. And it is clear that this is such a part as Israel... Or do you remember “The Legend of Tila Eulenspiegel”, a film by Alov and Naumov? Don't remember? What a wonderful film! I'm sure it's better than the Teacher movie. Vivaldi. It was then that the understanding of Vivaldi came to society. Back in the wild 1970s, Alov and Naumov, such heralds high culture. There is Alov’s young (she is forever young, of course) wife, Belokhvostikova. In Tehran-43, Belokhvostikova plays his girlfriend, and Til Eulenspiegel himself is played by an Estonian actor. Unfortunately, he died not long ago.

O. DANILEVICH: We've gone far, let's return to Donetsk.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Here to Donetsk. And “One Hundred Years of Solitude” reminds me of this. The period when Colonel Buendia stood in the square. Also, Colonel Aureliano Buendia stood in the square after the telegram “It is raining in Macondo,” and Zakharchenko is also standing. And he needs to do something about it. Because Russia doesn't calve. You can understand why. Those crazy ones... It’s funny to even discuss them now.

O. DANILEVICH: Do you mean Kyiv?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. They're making fun of own people. There's surrealism there. All clear. Well, they have already decided that they are independent and are going to Europe.

O. DANILEVICH: Is Little Russia needed?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: It is necessary. Because chaos is about to begin. And this is just an application for a big gang... Not a gang, but how to say... For a group that you can join in the beginning chaos.

O. DANILEVICH: But realistically, how to evaluate these chances?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: They are great.

O. DANILEVICH: Are they too big?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Great, yes.

O. DANILEVICH: Everyone is against it. All of Europe has already started shouting: “What are you doing? What kind of Little Russia?” Kyiv began to scream. Who will support?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: You see, now Trump was praised and praised, Obama was scolded and scolded. But Obama did not start selling lethal weapons, but Trump did. Now these lethal weapons will reach the front of the DPR and LPR. And these are anti-tank missiles, this is already such a serious weapon.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Like in Syria, maybe?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No, it won’t be like in Syria. Some kind of movement towards the DPR and LPR will simply be forced. These are two Spartas. The children there already know how to handle machine guns; they spend the night with machine guns. It became a habit. It's not a shock to them. And they will be happy to occupy part of the territory if any aggression appears. And against the background of these drunks, drug addiction, chaos and theft of the Ukrainian army, there will certainly be these precedents.

O. DANILEVICH: In order to create Little Russia (now it is very difficult to imagine how Kyiv would agree to this), there must obviously be some sacrifices. I don't mean human sacrifices. What sacrifices can we or the DPR offer to Kyiv, for example, so that they agree to the creation of Little Russia.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: What proposals?

O. DANILEVICH: Yes.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: In terms of jurisprudence, or something so brutal?

O. DANILEVICH: Yes, in principle, what can we offer? What can the DPR and LPR offer?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I think that if this process takes place, it will be so spontaneous that it makes no sense to predict now. Because I have traveled to 300 Russian cities. It was called "Spiritual Conversations". But in reality the conversation is simple. Answers on questions. I thought they would ask about television. Nevermind. They are not interested in cinema. Everyone has the Internet. Don't need all this. For life: to forgive - not to forgive, to return - not to return, to be baptized - not to be baptized.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: To leave my wife or not.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I want to tell you, yes, including. We have very good people. Very adequate. Apparently stress is doing its job. Because he is very sane. And they 99% strictly support everything related to Novorossiya. That is, for them this is a fundamental issue, which has added meaning to their lives, which is often absent in provincial cities, deprived of city-forming enterprises.

O. DANILEVICH: Look, in 2011 you tried to run for president. There will be presidential elections again in 2018. You say that the Kremlin is not listening yet. At the same time, you yourself think that it is necessary to create Little Russia. Maybe it's time to run for president again, Ivan?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: There is no point now. Administratively... Well, I don’t know. If uncle comes...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Why uncle? You are already independent.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: With five suitcases of money. So that he would come and say: “Here’s some paperwork for you, here’s for paying for the headquarters, here’s for this, and you’ll fight Putin for the first two rounds, and then you’ll be embarrassed.” Not a question at all.

O. DANILEVICH: What if they bring a suitcase from the State Department?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: From the State Department? Then I will run after them for some time with a Fabarm pump-action shotgun. I’ll also take with me an ax (I was talking about an ax) with Celtic runes.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Let’s talk about weapons after the news at 1 p.m.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: 30. NEWS

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: We continue. Olga Danilevich.

O. DANILEVICH: Katerina Zvyagintseva. And our guest is the actor, director, screenwriter, writer, priest, temporarily removed from ministry, but at his own request, Ivan Okhlobystin. We ended the first half hour talking about the presidency. You said, that…

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: We are ready for 2 rounds for a suitcase of money, and then lose.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And then - I ask you, Vladimir Vladimirovich, you are a healthy person, I see. I liked everything about how you went here and there and swam. I am also athletic, I live a healthy lifestyle. We'll support you. Go.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No. Why crowd a healthy person? This is a big concern. It means to lose personal life. This could be done, and I probably would have gone for it. I would be a pretty tough dude, because I would start with the abolition of Article 13, which does not allow the creation of a single... Well, nonsense. An hour is not enough, in short. And the 15th is the priority of international law over ours. Ravings of a madman. This is not the case in other European constitutions. That is, this is some kind of bondage introduced (when there?) in 1991. Was latest edition Constitution. It needs to be changed.

O. DANILEVICH: The Constitution was changed when it was about the term of the presidency.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: There for 6 years. By the way... In just a few months... I even wrote an article in "Russia Today" (I write there periodically): "Thanks to the State Duma. Someone there is listening to me. Or they are subscribed to Twitter." Whatever you offer, everyone accepts. 6 years accepted. I read the doctrine at Luzhniki. And Vladimir Vladimirovich arrived. How the site is tested. And some recent legislative initiatives...

O. DANILEVICH: So ask about Little Russia. Sorry for interrupting.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I applied a hundred times. This must be done using a method... like water wears away a stone. It needs to be “boo-boo, boo-boo.” Why did I talk about people? People support this. Because they understand that ordinary people suffer there. You can't do anything. Diplomatic coquetry is no longer helping, they spit in our faces. Already the Americans... They got confused in their papers there. Who is more important, why is the president... Some nonsense begins. We're already tired of figuring things out. But we don’t take Ukraine, again, because it can’t be researched yet. Europe is terrified of emigrants, but continues to flirt. Although in reality I know what is happening in France, for example, in Lyon. A friend lives with me. I know what is happening in Stuttgart, Germany. There are very big problems with migrants there. The population tensed like electricity. This is the most part of them. While the Democrats (the liberal component) are still holding this wave, they are holding it. But this is all for the time being.

O. DANILEVICH: But you are a famous monarchist, aren’t you?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes.

O. DANILEVICH: Can your views change? If they can, what should happen? That is, somehow Russia can grow up in order to cease to be a monarchy, or cannot it?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: German Sadulayev has an excellent article that Russia has developed into a monarchy. This is true. In fact, the style of management that the monarchy is not exactly something that can now cope with modernity, with modern life. When I say the word “monarchist,” I mean it as a personal factor. On the scale of our country, in the diversity of preserved cultures... We succeeded better than Americans. Each culture still has its own individuality. And yet all together. All distances, spaces, all givens. You cannot rely on a strict formal directive. Needed personal factor to quickly resolve this. It's like a whale swimming. And willy-nilly, he touches something with his tail. And this is the story with our country... But if the whale is controlled by the community, the whale will swim much more restlessly. That is, a personal factor is always needed. Russia is a large organism. A thousand years ago everything was said about this. These are the ideas of the Third Rome, a symphony of state and power. There is nothing slavish or servile about this. There is simply a correct understanding and attitude of how to relate to power. The authorities must protect our interests and serve us. That is, in principle, these are those who serve us, and not vice versa.

O. DANILEVICH: We need to serve the listeners a little, who have been writing to us since the first half-hour. +79258888948 is the number for SMS messages. Telegram @govoritmskbot, Twitter govoritmsk. Count Koshkin asks to ask about your attitude towards today's church and its fallen authority.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: She remembers the patriarch’s watch.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Do you know how? I really love the past patriarch. I treat him like a saint. We go to Elokhovsky to put flowers there. That is, we continue to be in communication with him. I have an understanding for Kirill, because I communicated with him when I worked in... I had personal communication. He is an excellent administrator, he is a pious man, he is a believer. It probably has some harsh notes. Yes, he most likely has a gold watch. But it’s nonsense to demand that he come with electronic “Casio Montana” with 13 melodies for 5 rubles. This is some kind of nonsense...

O. DANILEVICH: And without at all?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: He needs to know. The general should not think about the copy. He must think about how to keep the platoon of soldiers alive. It’s very subtle... This is a huge public institution. At the moment, one of the most stable public institutions in the state. A lot of them. Different communities. And this is the largest community. What else? There is no other one.

O. DANILEVICH: When you had not yet temporarily given up service, they would have given you a Maybach. What would you do with him?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I would go. Great car.

O. DANILEVICH: You wouldn’t sell it and send it somewhere for donations. Wouldn't they do anything like that?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don’t know. Firstly, it only seems that you can sell it and give it to charity.

O. DANILEVICH: Well, give it to an orphanage, for example.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: In order to quickly sell a Maybach, you need to lower the price twice. Because it’s crazy to have a Maybach if you’re not the owner of an oil company or a deputy prime minister. Contain... it could just be an accident. In addition to the fact that there is also a need for a driver. You can't travel like that. That is, this means recruiting additional staff. Then, when you sell it, it takes a long time. While it’s a long time, you’ll sell it at half price and then...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: In general, it’s easier to just take it and go for a ride.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Ride, yes. Ride the same children. Roll them onto the Christmas tree.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Listen, you talked a little about weapons. We know that you have a mini-collection of weapons.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: It’s hard to name. It's simple…

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: How much? Three things.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Five. As much as they gave, I took as much. I need to re-register everything now. Now the time has come when we need to deal with the papers. It changes a little. The accounting departments have been transferred to the National Guard, and the papers are being reorganized; this is a whole worry, but we need to get on with it.

O. DANILEVICH: You are also a member of the Union of Hunters and Fishermen.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Willy-nilly, because I have a weapon. But in general I don’t want to shoot animals.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Did you do underwater hunting? Have you caught pike?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Pike - no. But I once had a funny experience and I didn't like it.

O. DANILEVICH: In general, by the way, are you in favor of allowing weapons in Russia?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: For permission, of course. Everyone must protect themselves. If a bully understands that there may be a harsh response to his hooliganism... the only thing is that people need to be trained.

O. DANILEVICH: But how to turn the right and left cheeks?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: When I went out onto the tatami, I slapped myself on my left cheek - the question was removed. Do you understand? When your family is in danger or Evsyukov is aiming at a child's head, you have one option. You won't have time to run. Snatch it, shoot, and God forbid it hits him in the head to save the child.

O. DANILEVICH: And God, who should watch over this...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: God doesn’t owe anything. God gave us life and gave us what we asked for... He understood us. We would really like to be free. Any limitation torments us. We don’t understand that this pleasure can... as with posts, the same topic. But, nevertheless, God loves us so much that he even allows us to do things against his establishment. Complete freedom. And this is within the limits of our understanding of communication with weapons. I am for.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: We know that as a child you also always carried a knife in your pocket. Did your dad teach you that?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Dad, yes.

O. DANILEVICH: Do you still wear it?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I didn’t take it now, because it’s on the radio. It will just ring there.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: On roller skates.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And I’m on roller skates... Why am I taking a knife? Not for a crime, but in order, firstly, to peel an apple, cut it off, if a car has turned over somewhere, cut off a seat belt, pull a person out. By the way, I had such a situation. Plane off the twig. I have boys in my family.

O. DANILEVICH: Two. Four girls.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Two boys. Boys should. The archetype of the father is a father-man with a muscle, a knife, everything is as it should be.

O. DANILEVICH: By the way, about the muscle. It wasn't always like this. Ivan Okhlobystin was not always such a jock as he is now.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And why did you become a jock? You're really skinny...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I ate too much, listen. I have no choice.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: This is not for any role? Is this just an accident?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I can’t be a whip. The people in my family are stout and strong. There are two options - I can, like a sugar loaf, be soft. And the second option is like this. It's nothing you can do. And then, life forces you. The girls say: “Dad, we need to do something about our belly.”

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Do they force you to pump your abs?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Friends will come, it’s inconvenient for us to show you, you don’t look like a Wolverine man. Ugh.

O. DANILEVICH: I see that children generally modernize everything so much. Regarding modern times, Larisa asks us here: “Do you think it’s worth responding to the attacks of haters and trolls online? Or is it better to remain silent?”

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I think - remain silent. They require attention. That's the point. It's like the movie Teacher. Initially, he started a PR company there. Very good. Now everyone will definitely watch it. For different reasons. I brought one of them. Just make a cash register out of it. Not good.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Are you also silent, or are you answering something on the same Twitter?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I stopped communicating on Twitter altogether. Because short messages for some reason everything took over... this one took over all the dirt. That is, you definitely need to squander a lot, a lot. And the Ukrainian side is represented. Khokhlosrach. Even Pelevin already has this in his book. Tin in general. And I don't want to swear. In VK, I still have the opportunity to moderate some of it, because I am subscribed to communities that I like. It's the same on Instagram. Everyone just knows that I love photography. And that I use VK as a family photo album, and where to show off - a beautiful sunset, a video of “the first lilies of the valley.” From the most brutal to the most muslin.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Mi-mi-mi.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes.

O. DANILEVICH: Why didn’t I notice photos of your, as far as I understand, close friends on your Instagram? And I call Mikhail Efremov, who calls himself your close friend, close friends. Garik Sukachev, who also names. And Dmitry Kharatyan, it seems. You have some kind of four.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: The home album does not imply that you will tell. You never know.

O. DANILEVICH: Does this mean that in fact you are not so close friends with them? No?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: How close are we with them? We are close friends within the boundaries of how close friends are. But they don't live at my house. That is, it would be strange. They can stay at my house after the evening. But in such a way as to live - no.

O. DANILEVICH: Do you drink?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Sometimes - yes.

O. DANILEVICH: What do you drink?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I unexpectedly came to the conclusion that I like Porto. I came to where I started once. I like that you can sip it.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Good old port.

O. DANILEVICH: And the wine?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don’t like it. Strong drinks too somehow. It happens depending on the situation too. But I can’t remember such a situation at the moment.

O. DANILEVICH: Can you afford to get well drunk now?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: To what extent? To be caught?

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: That you don’t remember anything the next morning.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: This is not good. It's worse if you remember. Is it to be caught and put to sleep with electric shock?

O. DANILEVICH: Yeah.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Well, I can’t afford it yet, because after all...

O. DANILEVICH: But I would like to?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Chaos sometimes calls. Sometimes you think: damn, I need to pay with this, go there, do this, refuse this, I have to say “yes”, I want to say “no”, I have to say “yes”. And you - “oh, dear mother.”

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: What questions are tearing you apart now? Is there such a thing?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Mainly economic ones. I need... to buy, I need to re-register... I was absent from filming for a long time... all sorts of documents. I have boring worries now.

O. DANILEVICH: Are you not filming at the moment?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don’t want to act yet.

O. DANILEVICH: Why?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: It seems to me, again, out of respect for those people who treated me well. And I say it in such a way that the boys won’t understand me about any nonsense. 51 years already.

O. DANILEVICH: What do you want?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Now I have starred in a film about the father of a boy with cerebral palsy. Before that, I starred in the film "The Fugitive". I believe that if everything goes well, maybe this will be my final work. I really hope so.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Wait. That's all, we won't see Ivan Okhlobystin in the movies after this?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don’t know. But I really want to be able to do this.

O. DANILEVICH: Do you want to go into ministry?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: First I want to know that I was forgotten. I'll write for a while for a few years, and then - yes, of course, ministry. This is the sweetest part of life.

O. DANILEVICH: Are you sure that you and your, excuse me, maybe I perceive you incorrectly, but with your temperament, with this tearing apart, that you can really only go into ministry and not study at the same time...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: But I like writing more. I've always been more of a screenwriter. And now I have published one book - “Song of the Constellation Canes Venatici”, before that the fairy tale “XIV Principle” was published, before that there were journalistic almanacs - “Dark Album”, after that in September there will be “Magnificus II”, in October - “Magnificus III” ". These are also fairy tales.

O. DANILEVICH: When everything calms down, will you calm down, where would you like to live?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I feel comfortable everywhere. In general, I like this more rural history.

O. DANILEVICH: Village in the Moscow region or village ...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: In Lapland.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No, I wouldn’t want to go abroad for various reasons.

O. DANILEVICH: Somewhere in the south of Russia or in Siberia, maybe.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: No. Somewhere surrounded... I’m basically from Ryazan-Oka. Therefore, it will most likely be comfortable for me in my native place.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Listen, during your childhood your grandmothers raised you most of all?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Grandmother and great-grandmother. I generally...

O. DANILEVICH: What was your childhood like?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Excellent. It was a fairy tale. Little plump, always smiling grandmother Maria and stern, straight-backed Sofya Filippovna. She was such a stalwart noblewoman and carried it through her whole life.

O. DANILEVICH: Do you remember your father?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, I remember well.

O. DANILEVICH: Did you communicate with your father after your parents separated?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. But in raids. He took me away on Sundays for a while, then sent me away for the summer. And then he was walking with Cherkasov. They went to boarding houses to pick up girls and they put me in charge.

O. DANILEVICH: Just in case. Just in case anyone doesn't know. Ivan Okhlobystin's father married Ivan Okhlobystin's mother when his father was 62 and his mother was 19. How did he take her?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Number 19. He came out strong on the horizontal bar 19 times. He just crunched. He physically...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Was it powerful?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Wolverine Man smokes nervously in general. First of all, he was a hero of heroes. Secondly, he was brilliant... As far as one can imagine about aristocracy, I just remember now... to draw some kind of analogy with “War and Peace”. God is with us. Besides the fact that he looked physically great, he was savvy, he was friends with Salvador Dali.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Seriously? Was Salvador Dali friends?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, he has a whole story.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And he told you this?

O. DANILEVICH: How did they even cross paths?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: He performed the operation on Gala. He's a military surgeon. And after the war ended, he began to head all sorts of rehabilitation centers. He worked almost to the end. He was always luxurious in terms of presentation - charismatic with zeros. He got married for the first time, came to Odessa, was a temporary commandant before Zhukov’s arrival, brought with him a German varnished car, and drove around with music and a gramophone. Then he married the dark-haired beauty Anastasia Zorich. The editor-in-chief of some progressive magazine.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Did he tell you everything, who was he married to?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: My brothers and sisters. We have such a “Game of Thrones” there. And at the end of life... Do you know how? When the publisher of the newspapers of the first French edition, to which Richelieu wrote under a pseudonym, died, he died in wild poverty. And one of the greats (I don’t remember who - not Balzac, but someone of that level) wrote about him: “He died a beggar, as all geniuses should die.”

O. DANILEVICH: Would you also like to be poor someday?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I would like to, like a father too. Things didn't work out for him with his family. This is a tragedy. But he was shaken Spanish War, then World War II, then Korea. And after that... It didn’t work out. It would be forgivable for him, as it is not forgivable for anyone, since he was a hero-overhero. He saved a gigantic number of lives. My brother has a photograph at home. This is the battlefield. The Germans are running with bayonets at the ready. Our people are running with bayonets at the ready. There's a field in the middle. There is a half-thrown tent. Dirt. In the foreground is one... without a boot, one with a boot, the dead legs of a nurse. Mobile operating table. God. The patient is lying on the table. Dad with his mask off. There is a massacre going on nearby. And he's operating on some dude. That is how he lived. But, unfortunately, it didn’t work out with his family.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: But look, you succeeded with your family. You always talk so warmly and reverently about Oksana. “I looked at her in the restaurant and realized that I would marry this woman.” We saw it for the first time. “I will have seven children,” you said, “ washing machine and a tendency to hypertension." Look, you probably have a washing machine. Tendency to hypertension?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: There should be. Sooner or later it will catch me.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Look, seven children - now six.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: But we are young people and drinkers, so...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: What do you think about the seventh child? When?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I really want to. I miss. When they push a stroller past me, the one that smells like a mixture of milk and pussies, that sweetmeat...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Nice smell.

O. DANILEVICH: You personally got up at night to download...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Of course, they forced me. Certainly. There are periods in real life big family, where everyone must work, otherwise you will simply die.

O. DANILEVICH: At the same time, you once said in an interview that when you were left alone with the children for the first or second time, did you want to take a shotgun?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes, I had thoughts. But then I got my bearings. No, when they leave me at a certain moment, I begin to feel sad and admire...

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: After how many minutes do you begin to feel burdened?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I am strong. In a few hours. I'm holding on at all. I'm a jock. And psychologically I am very... I can conduct all sorts of trainings among them.

O. DANILEVICH: Speaking about dad, you said that he died in poverty. What's so important...

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: He is not in poverty. He is in asceticism.

O. DANILEVICH: What kind of materially significant things have you acquired in your life? Is there something like that?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Well, so, statistically average. We were the Tushino punks and still are. My dad also said: "That apartment is good, from which you can leave without looking back."

O. DANILEVICH: What was the biggest fee you were paid for a tape, for a script, for filming, for anything?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: 20 million.

O. DANILEVICH: How long ago was it?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: For a long time already.

O. DANILEVICH: Isn’t this “Interns”?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: On “Interns”, yes.

O. DANILEVICH: Where did you spend the money, if it’s not a secret?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I paid off the debts. And he told the others that they would wait. This is actually a joke. I really paid off a lot of debts, small things... We have a huge company. Someone always needs it.

O. DANILEVICH: This means that you still haven’t bought yourself a house. That's why I'm asking.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Well, yes.

O. DANILEVICH: So you gave away, lent, but didn’t buy a house for yourself?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. But if now I have some kind of financial problem, it will still be difficult for me to look for this amount. I will be financed partly by the bank. But if things don’t work out, then you’ll have to turn to friends. I'm sure we'll get everything together. Because here, you know, it’s like at the fiftieth anniversary - everyone has to come and perform. And it should be free. And it is also customary in our company that we help each other.

O. DANILEVICH: How old is your eldest daughter?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: 22.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And she spent her first salary on you.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And the second, and the third.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: On you.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Yes. And they walked for three days while we fed mosquitoes in the North. We walked around, weren’t shy at all, and posted photos on Instagram. Well, let them take a walk. The youth.

O. DANILEVICH: Do you want grandchildren or not?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I really want to.

O. DANILEVICH: While you will be a grandfather and think that you are no longer the same.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: I don't care. All the same - that, not that. Grandchildren are cool. This is a reproduction. This is the main thing. Girls, don’t think twice, take water polo players - beautiful, tall ones. Our children will be tall and healthy. Check your medical records to make sure there are no fools or diabetics. And water polo players. And the fact that they are smart - why are you smart? You yourself are smart. The main thing is that you are loved.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Why water polo players? Maybe the players?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: And they are three-meter horses.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: And basketball players?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: They are also good.

O. DANILEVICH: But water polo players are better.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: In general, athletes are good.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Ivan, we only have a section left: 5 questions - 5 quick answers. Same questions to all guests always. What did you once hide from your mother? First question.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: What did I once hide from my mother? I spilled nail polish remover on a sideboard I bought. I hurt her because we lived in a room in a communal apartment. And quite sparse. For her it was just a purchase.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Second question: with which blonde could you cheat on your wife?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Not at all. Are you crazy? This is the same thing, only viewed from the side. Who cares?

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: What is the biggest mistake in life?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: What is the biggest mistake in life? I don't know, by the way. I was asked once: if there was an opportunity to change something, God forbid. Then we wouldn't be talking to you.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Who would you ask for forgiveness from?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Probably, there are such people. Just now you need to give a list. But for it to be interesting and bright right away is not very decent.

O. DANILEVICH: How many people are on the list?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: There should be a lot. We must remember from childhood. different situations. It happened in passing. And man is the image of God. Therefore, we must treat this very delicately. We must protect people.

O. DANILEVICH: The last one. I'm afraid that in your case there may be a very difficult question. Who's yours best friend?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Oksanka, of course.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: You see, it’s easy to answer the question when your best friend is your wife.

O. DANILEVICH: When Vadim Demchog was our guest, he spoke very warmly about you and confessed his love to you several times on air and called you exclusively Vanechka. Do many people call you Vanechka?

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: Mom calls me Vanechka. Troitsky calls me Vanechka. Eat. Why not?

O. DANILEVICH: Thank you.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Thank you very much for taking the time.

O. DANILEVICH: Ivan Okhlobystin.

I. OKHLOBYSTIN: If there are no good suitors... if there are.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: Olga Danilevich.

O. DANILEVICH: Katerina Zvyagintseva.

E. ZVYAGINTSEVA: We’ll hear from you in a week. Bye.

Ivan, you are called the most controversial figure in Russian cinema. On the one hand, you are a priest of the Russian Orthodox Church. On the other hand, you act in films, TV series, visit social events. And for many this doesn’t fit in at all, so you get a lot of criticism. How do you feel about her?

Honestly speaking, no way. These people don't know me, and therefore their opinion is not interesting to me. And then - as the Lord judges. I'm trying to live honestly. I'm an imperfect person and I don't always succeed. But I'm going in this direction. Therefore, when I learn about someone’s criticism, I think about it and draw a conclusion for myself. Perhaps the criticism is fair. And if it’s just in vain, then such a position causes me only pity.

- In your youth you were fond of tattoos. Are they still on your body now?

Of course yes! I only cut out a naked woman taking off her panties in the Chersonesos area. Oksana told me: “I don’t mind a beautiful woman taking off her panties in the ruins of Chersonese Tauride. But why is she doing this? I answered: “We know why! Erotica..." And she says: “And what if for what else?”. And I thought, and then I burned it all with a laser. I have a terrible scar! And everyone began to ask me, they say, what kind of scar is this. I told them the whole story - and it is even worse than a tattoo! In the end, I tattooed the scar with a sign of radiation danger, so now, when asked, I tell a story: they say, I eliminated the consequences of the Chernobyl accident. It seems like he accomplished a feat, but you can’t take anything with you as a souvenir of it - so I kissed the reactor.

- I know the Bible doesn't approve of tattoos...

There is nothing in the Bible about tattoos! The Bible was written when nothing like this existed, or rather, what did exist was not called that and had a different meaning. Well, you can't write on a dead body, because that's how the Egyptians wrote. But there is nothing about tattoos in the Old or New Testament - I know, I rented them. Perhaps there is something in the Psalter, but again because among the Egyptians it was of a ritual nature.

Ivan, do you think of one's own free will are now temporarily suspended from ministry, that is, you are not conducting worship services. How long will this ban last?

I was hoping that it would end soon, but I need to buy a house, so I’ll still be filming for another five years. Otherwise, I would write books and confess my grandmothers in some church near the cemetery. I have an excellent relationship with the parish world, and I am comfortable with it. But now I’m paying off the house, they unexpectedly let us buy it.

So you were allowed to buy it back? Can I tell you the backstory? The fact is that Ivan Okhlobystin has six children. For a long time they huddled in a two-room apartment...

It has four rooms, but it has 48 square meters. But we lived like this (shows a thumb)!

- ... And then you wrote an application for social housing, and you were offered a house ...

Townhouse, in the area where Solzhenitsyn lived (in the Moscow district of Troitse-Lykovo) ...

- But with the condition that as soon as youngest child turns eighteen...

We were supposed to be evicted.

You have many guises, you are an actor, director, screenwriter... But great popularity came to you after the role of Bykov in the TV series “Interns”. I know this project was interesting to you because “Interns” is a new word in Russian TV series. But what is this newness?

Not novelty interested me - earnings interested me! I thought I was going for twelve episodes, the script was non-pornographic, and Alexander Ilyin, with whom we had previously played in Tsar, took part - and he has very good taste. Then I met the guys, and I liked the whole team, then we analyzed the whole script together again... But the fact that it was new or not new did not matter.

This series is strange in that there is no off-screen clapping. Vyacheslav Dusmukhametov is a genius, he managed to create New Product, abandoned the clapping, idiotic off-screen laughter, and convened a very good team of nine screenwriters. And then the producers walked around with white faces for three days, because the audience did not understand what kind of series this was - without hee-hee, without clapping... And then they stuck it in, and then there were six years of continuation.

- But still, you broke up with Doctor Bykov.

It was necessary to part with him, because all good things, like a novel, must have an ending. If the series had continued, everyone would have been tired, and willy-nilly the vulgarity would have started. We refused to continue filming, and Slava Dusmukhametov supported us: we had to end this story. We didn’t want to spoil it: we entered beautifully and left beautifully!

Your wife Oksana Arbuzova - she is also an actress, became famous for the wonderful film “Accident - the Cop’s Daughter”, which was very popular at the time, in which she played the main role. She was sixteen years old then, and she woke up just like an idol! She was a star, a fashion icon! And then she had films, but now we don’t see Oksana in new roles. But you are a director, you are a screenwriter. Why can't you shoot her in your film, write a script for her?

First of all, why? And secondly, then she will not have time to take care of the children. Yes, she doesn’t even want to! They called her forty times, but she is not interested, it’s all mouse fuss for her. And she is interested in taking care of children, and she manages to do it, I don’t know where she gets so much strength, where she gets so much enthusiasm. Thank you, Lord, that I found her! I encourage this passion of hers. I tried to tempt her with jewelry - she doesn't like jewelry. She wears wedding ones, but no matter what other pieces of hardware I give her, she doesn’t like them, that’s all. I tried to molest them with fur coats - they didn’t like them! She will wear a quilted coat, and wear a fur coat only when walking with a stroller: she is shy. I tried all sorts of tours and restaurants... But by and large, between our gatherings at the dacha with barbecue and some restaurant, we will still choose the dacha - we feel more comfortable there.

- You and Oksana have been married for more than twenty years...

Twenty-two years!

- ...And I want to quote your wife: “Everything that happened before Ivan, that is, the life of Oksana Arbuzova, I remember poorly. My life was divided into before and after. Ivan Okhlobystin is the starting point, the beginning of a new era. Ad". So what is your marriage based on? Tell us this secret!

We gave birth to children, and we have nowhere to go - that's what our marriage is based on. And she is very interesting to me in an emotional and sensual sense as a woman. She is interesting to me as a person, and I like that this personality always resonates with me, that I can test myself against her. And she always tells me the truth - this is also very important to me.

Ivan, your meeting with Oksana is compared to the story of the acquaintance of Bulgakov’s Master and Margarita - it is just as sudden and fateful. When you saw her, after a few seconds you said: “You will be mine!”. What was it? Love at first sight?

It was very simple. I came to the restaurant hoping to meet beautiful girl. I was riding a motorcycle and, to be honest, I was very drunk. I arrived at the Mayak club, entered the restaurant - and there were all the girls with gentlemen, and only one with two. The gentlemen were so gloomy, with beards, and in general the whole situation was reminiscent of Kustodiev’s paintings: three full glasses of vodka stood in front of them, and the girl had a cape in XIX style century, knitted, floor-length. The girl herself is skinny, big-nosed, and her eyes are black, like a squirrel's. I, being so impudent, came up and said: “Mademoiselle, shouldn’t you and I take a romantic trip around Moscow at night?” She thought, drank the glass of vodka that was in front of her, put it down and said: “Why not? Just promise to take me home!”. I say: “I swear!” - and took her to his home. That was it, and she never left the house again.

- And she was yours?

Yes. If there is an opportunity, do not miss the moment!

I tried to imagine what six children are like. I have two, and you have two sons and four daughters. Are you planning a seventh?

Well, we are people who drink, why not! (Laughs)

- So, it’s possible?

Quite, quite!

But I can hardly imagine how Oksana copes... Sometimes I can’t cope with two, but here there are six!

One - it’s very hard, two - it’s still hard, three - you’re already starting to cope easier, apparently, nature gives you additional strength, you and her. Four is already autonomy: self-washing, self-organization, everything is clear, who goes where. And Oksana is already in the iPhone with one hand, with the other hand on the pressure cooker, at the same time learning mathematics with Savva ( youngest son), sees with hindsight that Nyusha (Ioanna, second daughter) is going somewhere... As if she has six arms, like the goddess Kali.

- I know that when Oksana gets tired, then you pick her up and take her to rest.

As my dad used to say, “if you don’t walk a girl, then someone else walks her.” And it’s better if you walk a girl than a girl walks with you.

- And where is she at last time walked with you?

We went to Lapland. In general, we love extreme tourism, such as mountaineering, mountain National parks We love them very much - Scandinavian ones, for example. We also went to Spain... We travel to places where it is feasible for the whole family to go - this is exactly how we prefer to relax. And together, we went on romantic trips three times: to Paris, to Venice and now to Lapland.

I can't help but ask about your parents. I know this is a very unusual love story: your mother was 43 years younger than your father! She was eighteen and he was over sixty when they met. How did their romance happen? Were they officially registered?

My mother was my father's secretary. And he was a handsome gentleman, he looked much younger than his age, he was charismatic, and it was impossible to say “no” if he offered something. He headed a large medical center for the rehabilitation of veterans of the Great Patriotic War. Order bearer, handsome, went through three wars, and she fell in love - a student, a village girl... It was impossible not to fall in love! Five years later they separated because dad began to be afraid that his mother would hit him in the throat with a razor. He told me: “You understand, I love your mother, it’s impossible not to love a woman like your mother, but I’m afraid that she will kill me.” And she really has a difficult character: my mother is a very emotional woman. Element, goddess Hera! She later got married again, she had a very decent husband, he was also a military man...

Ivan, our program has a section “An inconvenient question.” Choose one envelope, or three envelopes - as you wish!

How much do you need? Tell me, I'll choose everything. (Picks up one envelope and opens it) Should you read it?

- Yes, read it! If you pick three, that'll be great!

- (Reading) “Your mother was 18 years old when she gave birth to you. Her family and friends tried to dissuade her from giving birth. Why?". Nobody tried to dissuade me! Dad, first of all, didn’t ask anyone. The only thing that was done: my grandfather took a knife and went to Moscow to see my dad. He returned drunk and happy: dad persuaded him! He said: “No, but what? A good man, an order bearer!” (Opens the next envelope, reads the second question) “Is it true that before “Interns” your family was in big debt?” Yes, it was, I paid it off. (Opens the third envelope, reads the question) “You received a personalized gold watch from the hands of President Putin. Is it true that you still don’t understand why?” Firstly, I did not receive it from his hands - I received it on his behalf. And yes, I really didn’t understand. I gave this watch to my friend.

- Well, at least guess why?

Well, Yugoslavia could have been - this is when we filmed Easter under American bombings... Some kind of humanitarian aid could have been during the Chechen campaigns... I don’t know.

Ivan, just recently you presented a new book called “Magnificus II”. This is your seventh book. I must say that you write famously: in 2015 you published as many as three books, and this year this is the second. It seems to me that the process of writing a book should be long and painful - but you do it so quickly. How do you do this?

It's an illusion! Because those books are somewhere journalism, somewhere spiritual reflections (as far as they are possible for me, a sinner). "Magnificus" is a trilogy, and I did not write the second part, but only edited it. And I wrote the previous one - “Songs of the Canes Venatici constellation” - also quite quickly, because part of the work there had already been done.

From the outside it always seems that only a special person like you can write a book, write a script. But I was surprised to find on the Internet simple tips how to write a book. It turns out that anyone who wants to pretend to be a writer can write?

Certainly! We are God's creations, we can do a lot. We have a million different talents, and high technologies today allow us to realize ourselves in several forms. Previously, we had to choose: only a doctor, or only a singer, but now they are combined. Say, an expert technologist and an artist - you can combine, why not!

There are several laws of literature, the simplest ones. The ideal text should look like this: it should contain all the sensations - tactile, auditory, visual and olfactory. An ideal text might sound like this, offhand: “He walked, plunging ankle-deep into black warm clay, towards a pine forest visible in the distance, where a tractor rumbled deafeningly and there was a distinct smell of burnt rubber in the air.” Ankle, ear, eye, scent - this is the perfect text. You can’t do this for the whole book, there is, say, a dialogue part, but as far as fundamental literature is concerned, this is the main principle: to create an atmosphere.